Minutes of the October 18, 2008 meeting of the Tampa Chapter SAR


President Bell called the meeting to order at 12:02. Jack Bolen offered the invocation. Marty Miller led the pledge to the flag and the president led the pledge to the SAR.


Members present: Ed Neugaard, Marty Miller, Luke Lloyd, Rodney Stebbins, Alan Bell, Jack Bolen, Cy Gamber, Robert Yarnell, and Kevin Yarnell.

Welcome guests: Bob Chapman, Ira Ward, June Bolen and Jeanne Lloyd


The guests were introduced by the president.


The minutes of the September meeting were approved.


The secretary announced that the next state Board of Management meeting will be held Oct. 31 and Nov. 1. The Tampa Chapter is helping with the registration table on Friday. Ed Neugaard is handling this for the chapter. President Bell will join him after work.


The treasurer reported a balance of $2,611.25 in checking and $95.66 in petty cash.


President Bell suggested that the Color Guard and other members might want to participate in aiding the Boy Scouts in earning their Citizenship in the Nation merit badge. This would require a 30 minutes presentation on our part. The membership was receptive to this idea and Alan will pursue it.


In an oversight we neglected to choose a nominating committee at the September meeting and so took care of this at this time. Cy Gamber, Allen Bell, and Jack Bolen agreed to serve and will present a slate of officers for election at the November meeting.


The meeting recessed for lunch.


Following lunch our Registrar, who was delayed in traffic, gave his report. He recently sent notes to 47 prospects encouraging them to continue their research and applications. He received a few responses. Currently there are 2 applications and 2 supplementals at National. Richard Hurley’s supplemental application was approved. Luke also briefed the members on a recent policy change at National that makes the use of DAR record copies as lineage proof much more difficult. This topic will be addressed at the state Board of Management meeting.


The President introduced Vice President Bob Yarnell who led a round-table discussion on the Electoral College. He reminded the members that the founders did not trust the people to directly elect the president fearing that they would be swayed by political maneuverings. The group looked at the possibility of a candidate winning the Electoral College but either losing the popular vote or not receiving a majority of that vote. As an example, Bob pointed out that Lincoln received only 39% of the popular vote but 80% of the Electoral College vote.


Bob also gave the members some information on the requirements and roles of an Elector. Not all state electors are required to vote as indicated by the popular vote in their state. This technically allows that for ‘renegade’ electors. The last such elector dates back to 1972. He claimed he could not in conscience vote for either McGovern or Nixon and so cast his vote for his neighbor.


Alternatives to the Electoral College were discussed. One such change would require that the electors be selected based on the votes cast in the Congressional Districts and 2 votes, corresponding to the Senator elections, would be based on the total state vote. Currently Maine and Nebraska choose their electors in this manner. Bob pointed out that Nixon would have defeated Kennedy if the District System had been in place for the 1960 election.


A number of questions and subsequent discussion ensued.


Cy won the 50/50 drawing and the treasury which was thus enriched by $5.50.


President Bell led the recessional. The Jack gave the benediction. The meeting adjourned at 1:58 pm.


Respectfully submitted,


Kevin Yarnell

Chapter Secretary