Minutes of the January 16, 2010 meeting of the Tampa Chapter SAR


President Bell called the meeting to order at 12:05. Luke Lloyd offered the invocation and led the pledge to the flag and the President led the pledge to the SAR.


Members present: Jack Bolen, Marty Miller, Allen, Bell, Chuck Copeland, Dick Young, Barry Marler, John Sessums, Terrell Sessums, Bill Floyd, Robert Koehler, Milton Alexander, Ira Ward, Ed Neugaard, Cy Gamber, Robert Yarnell, and Kevin Yarnell.


Welcome guests:

Wives: June Bolen, Jeanne Lloyd, Judy Copeland, and Lissette Young,  Neva Sessums, Phyllis Ward

Other guests: Catherine Szydlowski and son Thomas; Doug Brown and wife Emily (Doug’s application is pending at National)


The President introduced the guests.


The minutes of the December meeting were approved.  


At the request of the Treasurer, who was delayed in arriving at the meeting, Vice President Yarnell asked the membership to approved Marty Miller as the auditor of the chapter accounts in preparation for turning the books over to the new Treasurer Chuck Copeland. The motion passed.


Luke Lloyd reported that the chapter currently has two applications pending at national.


President Bell announced a genealogical workshop that will be conducted at the Tampa History Center, Feb. 13th, by the DAR. The speaker, Debbie Duay, has previously presented at Florida Society SAR meetings and is very good. He encouraged the membership to attend.


With regard to the color guard, Alan is looking into a Massing of the Colors Ceremony on March 7th in which our group might participate.


The chapter received a recorded message from the president general on CD that we had hoped to play for the membership. Unfortunately, the sound produced by the computer was not loud enough and it was agreed to make another attempt next month.


The meeting recessed for lunch.


The Secretary / Treasurer arrived during lunch and thus was able to offer his reports. He reported a balance of $2808.46 and petty cash $33.26. There was nothing of crucial importance to report from the state Board of Management meeting from which he had just returned.


The Treasurer asked the membership to approve Chuck Copeland, Treasurer, Luke Lloyd, President, and Kevin Yarnell, Secretary as new signers on the chapter checking account. Terrell Sessums moved, seconded by Cy Gamber that these men be authorized to be signers on the chapter checking account. The motion passed


President Bell called on Jack Bolen who inducted the new officers. Following the induction, Jack took a moment of personal privilege to acknowledge Luke’s efforts as chapter Registrar over the past four years. Many of the current members were approved on his watch. The members joined Jack in his sentiments.


Luke Lloyd assumed the Presidency and chaired the meeting from this point on and proceeded into his presentation, “Islamic Doctrines and Consequences”. He provided some personal background on his military experience in the Middle East and how he came to consider the issues that drives the violence in that area. He then proceeded to examine the Islamic religion as a possible cause.


Secretary’s Note: This is another time when my notes will likely not be adequate to convey the excellent talk provided by Compatriot Lloyd. I offer them primarily as a reminder for those in attendance but hope they may provide some sense of the presentation to those not present.


The speaker first observed that Islam is more than just a religion. Instead it is a religion, a fully developed political system, and a culture. Each of these areas was discussed in turn.


Next Luke discussed the sources required to understand Islam: While most people might think the Koran is the authoritative source it is actually one of three necessary texts. The others are the Sira which contains a biography of Mohammad and the Hadith which details the traditions of Mohammad. Each book is both religious and political and directs humanity to do as Mohammed did.


With this background President Lloyd examined reasons that make Islam so hard for westerners to comprehend. First, an explanation of the term “dualistic Faith” was provided. Specifically, it was noted that the religion is not based solely on Allah but rather requires both Mohammed and Allah. Seventeen percent of the total number of pages in the 3 books mentioned above are about Allah and 83% are about Mohammad. This dualism also plays out in areas such as believers vs. non-believers and women vs. men.


Additionally, Westerner’s have trouble with the ethics of Islam. We have a unitary ethics as illustrated by the golden role. Islam does not have the golden role. Duality is present here. There is one set of ethics for Muslims and another for non-Muslims. Further, in Islam two things can contradict each other and be true at the same time. This is not how western logic works and makes an understanding of Islam very difficult for westerners. One can’t simply pick up a Koran and learn the religion. What will appear to a Westerner as contradictory statements are not held to be so by Islam. Since we have trouble understanding Islam we have relied on Muslims to tell us of their faith and they have told us what we want to hear. This leads us into believing that Islam is harmless and peaceful.


Luke spent some time detailing the consequences of Islamic dualist beliefs especially as it relates to Jihad and terrorism. He concluded by pointing out that a thorough understanding of Islam by our leaders is essential as they determine US policy towards Islamic countries. Equally important, individual citizens too should seek a better knowledge of Islam and move beyond our simplistic view that Islam is just another religion.


A time of questions followed allowing Luke to clarify and expand on key points.


Ed Neugaard won the 50/50 drawing. The treasury was enriched by $9.50.


The President led the recessional, Jack Bolen gave the benediction, and the meeting adjourned at 2:04pm.


Respectfully submitted,


Kevin Yarnell

Chapter Secretary